Sunday, November 24, 2013

The politics within Johnny's: "Things haven't gone according to plan because of Arashi shooting into stardom" (CYZO)


1: :レコバたんヽ(゜∀。)ノφ ★ 2013/11/21(木) 04:25:35.23 ID:???0
With all the year-end music shows announcing their participants, people have been talking about the lineup for NTV's Best Artist 2013, where only the groups from Julie Kitagawa's faction are participating. These include Arashi, TOKIO, and Kanjani8, among others, as well as the newly transferred Hey!Say!JUMP. The Iijima faction on the other hand is led by SMAP, and consists of Kis-My-Ft2, A.B.C-Z, and Sexy Zone to name a few. These 2 camps are battling it out for the right to succeed the agency in the future.

"People may see this as a power struggle between Julie's camp vs. Iijima's camp, but the general consensus among the media is that Julie's camp is much stronger. Of course there's Arashi, and the groups who can handle main shows such as TOKIO and Kanjani8 have fully developed. Iijima-san has SMAP, but despite bartering Kis-My together with them for 2 years now, they haven't quite soared yet to meet their expectations. Her camp also has Tomohisa Yamashita and Jin Akanishi, but they're not "variety show-friendly" talents, which is the specialty of Iijima-san" - (TV station staff)

These 2 factions are also split among the programs where they make their appearances, and seeing the members from each camp together on one show has become a rarity -- to the point that it might not even happen within the same year for other members. So what has made things as complicated as it currently is?

(Continued after the jump)


Source: http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/8268890/


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1: :レコバたんヽ(゜∀。)ノφ ★ 2013/11/21(木) 04:25:35.23 ID:???0
"The agency was most stable when SMAP was on top of the hierarchy. Johnny's wanted to maintain that stance, but all the plans have been affected because of Arashi shooting into stardom. The agency would have loved Arashi to become popular without overtaking SMAP, but now the agency did not expect them to go up the ladder this far. And because of this, the hierarchy structure within the agency has become distorted and unstable. They could only have one on top... Arashi or SMAP. Even the TV stations were troubled as to who they would use." - (showbiz pro staff)

They held their concert at the Kokuritsu, following SMAP's example. They even broke into the Kouhaku Uta Gassen (NHK) in 2009 which was dominated by SMAP and TOKIO until that point, and even made history by hosting the event as a group the following year. Arashi made surprising leaps and bounds up to the top, but who would've thought that their emergence has ironically broken the harmony within the agency.

Julie's camp may currently be the force to be reckoned with, but it seems that Iijima's side is showing new activity as well.

"Akanishi has now sided with the Iijima camp, but this was apparently a calculated move by Iijima herself. This is because of the various connections Akanishi has established within the industry as he befriended other talents outside the restraints of their respective agencies during his days of partying with his troop members. Burning Productions-affiliated talents such as Kyoko Koizumi have also taken a liking to him. Turns out that Iijima wanted this network that Akanishi possessed for herself. In other words, Iijima has turned to Burning Productions in her quest to overturn Julie's current advantage... and the key person she pinpointed was Akanishi. And that is why there are Burning talents in the dramas that have SMAP members as the lead." - (showbiz pro staff)

It may be hard to believe this, but the power struggle within Johnny's has turned into Julie vs. Iijima with Burning. It seems that the battleground has now inevitably spread out from the confines of the agency and is about to involve the entire entertainment industry with it. Will we ever see the day when all of these Johnny's talents come together in one event?



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4 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 04:34:13.39 ID:XhadpTzW0
...という

「対立煽り」にすればファンは熱心に比較し、敵を知ることで知名度が上がり

燃え上がるはず・・・・と思ってます
... And so,
if they pit them against one another, the fans will passionately draw comparisons.
And by comparing, you will get to know more about the enemy, and things will get more heated up

...is probably what they're thinking.
5 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 04:35:41.41 ID:2m8Xcr1n0
くだらねえ
Stupid
8 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 04:37:04.21 ID:Vk6JQY7O0

Who cares!

65 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:51:17.67 ID:J1myPijG0
>>8
かわいい 
That's cute
9 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 04:37:42.14 ID:iZZ2ldXV0
キムタクがドラマで視聴率取れなくなったからなあ・・・
CD売上も嵐の半分以下だし

飯島は死ぬ気でキスマイ売ろうとしてくるだろうな 
Because KimuTaku couldn't even get the ratings anymore...
Their CD sales are even less than half of Arashi's.
Iijima will probably become more desperate to push for Kis-My.
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12 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 04:39:25.56 ID:/ScF1+nSP
SMAPのドラマにはいっつもキスマイがゴリ押しで付いてくる
あれ止めたほうが良い
うざいだけ 
Kis-My is always shoved into SMAP's dramas.
They should stop doing that.
It's just irritating.
14 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 04:42:57.16 ID:/VDNzsT60
内部抗争激しくどうでもいい
いいからジャニ事務所ごと芸能界から消えろ
業界の癌め 
I seriously don't give a damn about internal power struggles.
I just want Johnny's to disappear from the industry.
They're cancers of the entertainment industry.
16 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 04:51:37.11 ID:w8i9Poqu0
ジュリー派
メリー派
飯島派
ジャニー派
ヒロム派

SMAPがジャニー派だったり飯島派だったり、
NEWSがメリー派だったりジュリー派だったり、
週刊誌は書いてることがコロコロ変わるからちっともわからん。

いい加減に5大派閥の相関図をハッキリさせろ。 
Team Julie
Team Mary
Team Iijima
Team Johnny
Team Hiromu

SMAP used to be in Team Johnny's, and now in Team Iijima.
NEWS used to be in Team Mary, then before you know it they're in Team Julie.
These tabloids are so inconsistent in writing things so I don't know the score here.
Hurry up and define the groupings of these 5 camps.

20 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 04:56:58.84 ID:t7P6eQs60
最近雑魚がデビューしすぎ
つぶれかけのラーメン屋がやけくそでメニュー乱発してるみたい 
They're making too many small fry debut these days.
It's similar to a ramen joint that's about to go bankrupt; they seem to keep on releasing all these crappy menu entries one after another.
23 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 05:02:03.03 ID:7I5+XQ87O
ジャニーとメリーが死んだら分裂が加速して衰退しそうだな
そしてバーニングが業界を統一する 
I get the feeling that once Johnny and Mary kick the bucket, the crevice between these 2 will just get bigger and will eventually spell the fall of the Johnny's empire. And then Burning will reunite the entire industry.
27 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 05:08:22.83 ID:oebBzk3S0
赤西の生存確認記事だったのか 
So it's an article that confirms that Akanishi's still alive, huh
30 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 05:12:30.32 ID:dx4H76kV0
裏道をいくキンキ 
KinKi are taking the back alley
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31 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 05:12:50.66 ID:wQP+BPITO
キンキキッズって、ハブられているのか? 
Are KinKi Kids being shoved aside?
38 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 05:38:18.84 ID:8+771aUn0
まあ、有名な話だよねこれ 
Well, this story is pretty well-known
40 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 05:42:23.91 ID:0bDPxeAq0
嵐ってCD売上や映画の興行収入はジャニーズでトップだけど
それ以外の能力は低いよな
紅白の司会は一人じゃできない
バラエティも芸人任せ
嵐単独は深夜のノリならいいけどゴールデン向きではない
強烈なヲタが買い支えているから今は大丈夫だけど
10年経って標品価値が下がってスマップのように売れなくなったら
能力の低い嵐はあっという間にTVから消えそう 
Arashi may be top within Johnny's when it comes to CD and box office sales, but I think their abilities are pretty low.
Not a single individual can even host the Kouhaku alone.
They're also relying on the comedians for their variety shows.
Arashi alone were good on late night, but I don't think they're suited for prime time TV.
They might be doing well now with their die-hard wotas, but once they go on the decline in 10 years like how SMAP has, then Arashi who originally have no abilities might disappear from TV altogether.

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43 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 05:50:00.91 ID:AkBpxhLR0
V6「…」 
44 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 05:50:48.60 ID:w7p+YsVw0
ジャニーズって内部でこんなんあるのか
外に対して男グループに圧力かけるとかだけじゃないんだな
色々大変なんやな 
So things like this happen even within Johnny's? 
I thought they just apply pressure to the other male groups.
It's pretty tough and complicated, huh.
50 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:05:54.38 ID:aGNg7HbS0
> Kis-My-Ft2、A.B.C-Z、Sexy Zone

ネーミングセンス糞すぎるだろww売れるもんも売れんわw 

> Kis-My-Ft2, A.B.C-Z, Sexy Zone
The naming sense is just horrible ww You couldn't even sell something that's supposed to sell with this w
52 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:08:17.76 ID:Dd2Ay9OF0
嵐が予想外に売れた?
気持ち悪いくらいのゴリ押しだったじゃん。
昨年だったか各局に冠番組を持たせたけど、今も数字出せてるのってあるか?
そもそもアイドルなんだから、大人しくファンの前で歌って踊ってクルっと回ってろよ。
ドラマとかバラエティとかに出てくんな。 
Arashi surprisingly sold well?
They were just pushed forward so much, it felt so gross.
Was it last year? They had main shows on each station, but are these still getting good ratings?
And they're idols so they should just sing, dance, and twirl only in front of their fans.
Stop showing up on varieties and in dramas.
70 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:58:46.53 ID:qzRkD9l40
>>52
嵐って、ごり押しされてたか?
デビューして2,3年頃なんて深夜しかレギュラーなかったし、
かなーり地味で薄い印象だったが。
事務所の誤算は花男ヒットで松潤が注目され、主題歌の
シングルが売れ出し初めてから徐々に嵐も注目されてきて、
思いがけずに人気が出てしまったんだと思うが。
まぁ、その後に大野や相葉がいきなりドラマの主演に抜擢
されたりしたのは明らかがごり押しだとしても、嵐人気に
火がついてしまったのは、事務所が売ろうとして無理無理
ゴリ押しした結果ではなかったと思う。
嵐がイマイチだった頃は、カツンとかのプッシュの方が
凄かったし。 
Were they overpushed?
The only regular show they had for 2, 3 years since their debut was a late night program.
They used to be so ordinary and plain.
The agency's miscalculation was people started to pay attention to MatsuJun thanks to HanaDan becoming a hit. And when the theme song started to sell well, people started taking notice of Arashi, and that was when their popularity started to rise. But it was obvious that Aiba and Ohno suddenly becoming leads in dramas was a case of gori-oshi, but I don't think the agency lit that flame and forced Arashi into stardom. And when Arashi weren't popular, their push for KAT-TUN was strong as hell too.
75 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:09:17.80 ID:UfNMHaw/0
>>70
同意
嵐ブレイクのきっかけは花男だろうね

カツンは赤西が脱退せずデビュー時の人気を保ってたら
嵐より上いってただろ 
Agreed.
Arashi's big break came during HanaDan.
If Akanishi didn't leave KAT-TUN, and if they maintained their popularity from their debut, then they probably would have even gone above Arashi.
54 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:16:19.95 ID:+UJwSjeg0
シブがき隊と少年隊もあんまり共演していなかったよ。
よくある事じゃないの? 
Even Shibugakitai and Shounentai didn't appear alongside one another that much.
Isn't this something normal?
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55 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:16:42.85 ID:qk/xvVcA0
飯島さんにはSMAPがありますが、そのバーターを2年も
続けてるのに、キスマイがなかなか育っていないのは痛い

あんなブサイク達しか選べない飯島の見る目のなさ 
>Iijima-san of course has SMAP, and despite bartering Kis-My together with them for 2 years now, they haven't quite soared yet to meet their expectations.

But Iijima doesn't have good eyes if all she can choose are those ugly guys.
58 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:22:21.69 ID:0PFBIrdd0
ジュリー派  嵐 TOKIO V6 関ジャニ NEWS KAT-TUN 平成ジャンプ
飯島派  SMAP キスマイ セクシーゾーン ABC-Z 山下 赤西
ジャニー派  キンキ タッキー&翼 生田 ジャニーズJr

こうかな 
Team Julie: Arashi, TOKIO, V6, Kanjani, NEWS, KAT-TUN, Hey!Say!JUMP
Team Iijima: SMAP, Kis-My, Sexy Zone, ABC-Z, Yamashita, Akanishi
Team Johnny: KinKi, Tackey & Tsubasa, Ikuta, Johnny's Jr.

Something like this?
113 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:53:11.72 ID:omKUJ6Xni
>>58
飯島の方はSMAP以外ろくなのがいないな
キスマイ推しとかSMAPバーターの無駄遣い 
Iijima doesn't have any good ones huh.
Pushing for Kis-My? That's wasting the partnership with SMAP.
62 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:43:38.76 ID:RkgrvbLL0
>>58
何でメリー派がいないの? 
Why isn't there a Team Mary?
67 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:54:07.07 ID:XqqoSoQ7P
>>62
アホか?
メリーさんの娘がジュリーや 
Are you stupid? Mary's daughter is Julie.
61 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 06:42:08.36 ID:0I33LH8h0
SMAPと嵐はうたばん面白かったけど基本紅白しか共演しなくなったな 
SMAP and Arashi were fun on Utaban, but they're only seen together these days during the Kouhaku
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74 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:07:00.67 ID:uL2uMeWA0
ブサマイはどう頑張っても売れない 
Busumai will never sell no matter how hard they try
78 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:10:55.50 ID:006gXc1ei
SMAPは別格だよ
爺婆までみんなが知ってる 
SMAP's on a different level.
Even grandpas and grandmas know them.
http://jj-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/url3.jpg
79 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:12:16.27 ID:lj6/KDJd0
SMAPのステマは酷かったからまだ洗脳から抜け切れてない人多いんだな 
SMAP's stealth marketing was horrible so it seems that there are still a lot of people who haven't gotten over that brainwashing yet
81 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:17:13.97 ID:46s2cjLA0
なんで嵐が売れて事務所が誤算したことになるの?

ジャニーズ事務所の後継者はジャニの姪っ子でメリーの娘の藤島ジュリー景子

そのジュリーの溺愛する嵐が売れたんだから事務所てきに悪いことではない

スマップのマネージャーは一社員で幹部にはなれても社長になることなんてありえないし

誤算だとか後継者争いとか結局スマップのマネージャーを叩きたいだけのバカ記事 
How come Arashi's rise to popularity is a miscalculation for the agency?
The heir of Johnny's is Mr. Johnny's niece, the daughter of Mary, Julie-Keiko Fujishima.
And Julie's beloved Arashi became popular, so there's no way this is a minus for the agency.
SMAP's manager is just an employee, and she may become an executive, but she will never be the president.
Miscalculations? Battle for succession? This stupid article just wants to criticize SMAP's manager.
85 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:25:19.81 ID:qUMT/PtdO
SMAPの櫻井無視は露骨だよな。特に中居。
Mステとかたまに一緒になっても櫻井には話振らない。 
The way SMAP ignores Sakurai is so blatant, especially Nakai.
When they do come together on Music Station, he'll never talk to Sakurai.
97 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:38:50.92 ID:Sksi3yaJ0
長文が多くて気持ち悪いスレだな 
There are so many long responses, this thread is grossing me out
107 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:49:43.21 ID:Lo3kOLbl0
マッチと東山はどっちが凄いの? 
Who's more amazing? Matchy or Higashiyama?
117 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 07:59:03.41 ID:ifiFDKN9O
>>107
マッチ。
マッチと田原俊彦が売れてジャニーズの株が上がったでしょ。
田原も事務所に逆らわずにいたら今頃マッチみたいに重役待遇だったはず。 
Matchy.
Johnny's stock came up when Matchy and Toshihiko Tahara became popular, right?
If only Tahara didn't go against the agency, he probably would have gotten the same VIP treatment as Matchy. 
129 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 08:16:40.72 ID:rRnKLDZ30
嵐がいるほうが総務省が付いてるから強いんじゃないのか 
Aren't they stronger with Arashi because of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications executive* that comes together with them? 
* (Related post HERE)
138 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 08:35:14.87 ID:gK3u7RfXO
SMAPはもう燃えないごみ扱いだよね。嵐はまだ楽しいけど、あの二宮とかいうとっちゃん坊やのあの斜めな態度。
あれで見る気をしなくなる。
TOKIOが一番好感度がさがらないんじゃないの?国分が最近怪しいが。 
It feels that SMAP are now being regarded as incombustible garbage. Arashi's still fun, but that man-child Ninomiya's slanted personality? I lose the will to watch because of him.
I think TOKIO's the group whose likability doesn't drop, right? Kokubun seems fishy these days, though.
157 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2013/11/21(木) 09:01:47.39 ID:D0eFpyMZ0
チンピラ赤西がキーマンって時点で終わりww 
The moment chinpira Akanishi was designated as the keyman, it was all over ww

* (chinpira = thug)
http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/10/0000530410/13/imge81ea725zik5zj.jpeg







158 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:02:55.94 ID:nJUYrHrB0
SMAPはアイドルに興味ない層にも受け入れられたイメージだけど 
嵐はいまだに嵐っていうアイドルグループを支持する層にしか 
受け入れられてないイメージだな 

実際嵐の曲とか売れてるみたいだけど全く知られてないし
There's this image that SMAP is even liked by the people who aren't really into idols, while Arashi is just popular with people who see them as idols.

I really don't know what the deal is, though. It does seem like Arashi's songs are selling well.
160 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:06:51.34 ID:RBpiPc5PO
嵐ってSMAPが開拓した道を事務所に歩かされてるイメージしかないわ。
My image is that Johnny's is just making Arashi walk along the passage that SMAP opened up
172 名無しさん@恐縮です[] 2013/11/21(木) 09:21:54.75 ID:cRJJG5m20
SMAPの国民的人気はガチだったけど 
嵐なんて事務所のホモオヤジとかババアどもが必死にゴリ押しして売れてるってことにされただけだろ(笑) 
あんだけ良待遇でゴリ押しされまくれば平成ジュンプみたいな奴らでも人気者になれるわw
SMAP's national popularity was genuine, but Arashi's popularity was just forced by the agency's homo-old geezer and granny, right? (LOL)
They were treated excellently, it's no wonder they'd get popular with all that pushing for them. Even someone like Hey!Say!JUMP would get popular with a method like that. w
171 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:20:30.93 ID:/3LTQc470
もうジャニーズは 
少年忍者で終わったんだよ
Johnny's ended with Shonen Ninja
http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/img339.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/2/5/4/6/lot_rock_salt-img313x243-1286437913uksrqp25534.jpg
173 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:23:00.80 ID:xhws+mgf0
>>171
少年忍者と言うあたり通ですなw 
東京男組とか知ってる? 
You must really be a hardcore fan if you say something like Shonen Ninja w Do you know Tokyo Otokogumi?
177 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:26:31.84 ID:0KCmUAlK0
SMAPの終わり方はどうすんだろ
I wonder how they're planning to pull the curtains down on SMAP's career
199 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:51:13.75 ID:5jqpECF70
まさか嵐がこんなにも人気出ることになるとは思わなかった 
数年前まで松潤と二宮しか名前知らなかったのにいつの間にか全員フルネームで言えるようになってた
I never imagined that Arashi would become popular like this. The only names I knew a few years ago were MatsuJun and Ninomiya, but the moment I realized it, I know all their full names.
205 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:54:27.86 ID:YElU7Ags0
嵐って結局売上げだけっていう印象しかない
歌は口パク、ダンスが特別うまいわけでもないし、演奏するわけでもないし 

トークはダメ、演技も普通、誰かにいじってもらわないと面白くないし 
ファンがかっこいいと思ってるだけで顔やスタイルは贔屓目に見ても普通
Arashi only has this image of "major sellers".
They lip-sync, their dancing isn't exceptionally good, and they don't play instruments. They're bad at talking, their acting is just plain, and they're boring unless they're being made fun of by someone else. I think only their fans think they're cool. Even with bias, their looks are just ordinary. 
206 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:55:37.03 ID:5dEPbm3V0
嵐は好きじゃないけど歌つーか曲は良いものが多いね 
全盛期のSMAPも良かった
I don't really like Arashi, but they do have a lot of good songs. SMAP was also good at the height of their career.
212 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 10:03:31.59 ID:xhws+mgf0
でも、ごり押しなんてどこの事務所でもやるし、 
嵐も売れてない悲惨な時期があったからね 
レコード会社契約解除とか 
そこで腐らなかった点は評価してやってもいいけど、 
その時期に歌のレッスンでもしとけばよかったのにね 
どうせ来月のFNSでまた公開処刑や放送事故になるんだから
But all the other agencies push hard for their talents too. Arashi also had to endure a miserable spell wherein they weren't selling at all, like their contract termination from the record company. I can commend them for not giving up at that time, but it would have been better if they at least took some voice lessons during that lull. They'll just be humiliated again in public on FNS next month and it'll lead to another broadcasting accident.
221 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 10:09:22.82 ID:lj6/KDJd0
そしてすっかり忘れ去られて開店休業状態のV6
And everyone has just totally forgotten about V6 who are still open for business, but are on a long sabbatical.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/1foxmulder/18401333/59380/59380_original.jpg
222 名無しさん@恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 10:10:02.20 ID:ncEec16y0
NEWSも忘れないであげてください・・・
Please don't forget NEWS as well...


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